Sunday, December 16, 2024

A Navantia Design To Contend As a Collins Replacement

Navantia released a press statement last week that they had begun work on both S-81 and S-82, the first two submarines of the S-80 class. Both submarines are being built for the Spanish Navy.

Spanish Navy Admiral Sanjurjo Jul, Director of Naval Constructions, and Juan Pedro Gómez Jaén, CEO of Navantia, have presided on 13th. December, the ceremony of the cut of the first steel for the second S-80 submarine (S-82), and afterwards, the ceremony of the keel laying of the first unit (S-81).

The S-80 submarine, 100% Navantia design, is in these moments the most technologically advanced conventional submarine in the world. Navantia becomes, thanks to this programme, a pioneer company in submarines construction and system integration, as it happened before in the surface ships.

These submarines, equipped with an AIP system, will be delivered to the Spanish Navy in 2013, 2014 and 2015.

It also listed the expected "official" statistics.

Main particulars:
- Length overall: 71.05 m.
- Hull length: 51.76 m.
- Hull diameter: 7.30 m.
- Displacement Submerged: 2,426 t.
- Displacement Surface: 2,198 t
- Floatability: 9.5%
- Power (MEP): 3,500 Kw
- Number of Battery Elements: 360
- Generators Power: 3,600 Kw
- Crew: 32 p (+8)
- Speed: 20 knots
- Endurance: 50 days

I haven't been paying as close attention as I should to the S-80, because I didn't realize how big it is. At 2,426 tons submerged displacement the S-80 class is the largest AIP submarine in the world. What is also interesting about the S-80 class is these are not coastal submarines like what we are seeing exported from Germany, these are fleet submarines like what we are seeing exported from Russia.

Consider a few things. It has been reported in the media lately that discussions on the Collins class submarine replacement have begun in Australia. The Collins class is a fleet submarine, and it's replacement will have to be a fleet submarine as well. Australia recently picked Navantia to build amphibious ships and surface combatants. Australia is almost certainly not going to work with the Swedes again on the Collins replacement, and will look for a new partner. Whatever submarine they build will need to be compatible with American submarine systems, from the Combat center to just about every other piece of equipment that might be deployed on a submarine. Most importantly, it is almost a certainty the new Collins class replacement will leverage fuel cell technology.

Given the shipyards in Spain are working at peak capacity for the next several years, and this is before additional export orders, it seems very likely that Navantia would agree to licensing terms to allow a modified S-80 be built in Australia. While it is not very likely that Australia has approached Navantia at this early stage, I wouldn't be surprised if they have mentioned it in passing, or implied the possibility. Of all the submarines on the market, while not as large as the Collins class, the S-80 represents the most likely design to be used as a basis for the Collins replacement to date, and as the Collins submarine replacement discussions get started it will be interesting to see if Navantia is mentioned as a partner in the discussion.

The first step of coarse is to get the S-80 on time and on budget, and for that we will have to wait and see.

5th Fleet Focus: Order of Battle

Order of Battle in the 5th Fleet Area of Responsibility.

The Truman Carrier Strike Group

USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75)
USS San Jacinto (CG 56)
USS Hue City (CG 66)
USS Carney (DDG 64)
USS Oscar Austin (DDG 79)
USS Winston S. Churchill (DDG 81)
HMS Manchester (D95)
HMCS Charlottetown (FFH 339)
USNS Artic (T-AOE 8)
USS Montpelier (SSN 765)


Kearsarge Expeditionary Strike Group

USS Kearsarge (LHD 3)
USS Ponce (LPD 15)
USS Gunston Hall (LSD 44)
USS Vicksburg (CG 69)
USS Porter (DDG 78)
USS Carr (FFG 52)
USS Miami (SSN 755)


Tarawa Expeditionary Strike Group

USS Tarawa (LHA 1)
USS Cleveland (LPD 7)
USS Germantown (LSD 42)
USS Port Royal (CG 73)
USS Hopper (DDG 70)
USS Ingraham (FFG 61)


In Theater

Ocean 6
FGS Augsburg (F 213)
FS Guepratte (F714)
FS Commandant Ducuing (F795)
FS Premier Maitre L'Her (F792)
PNS Tariq (D 181)
PNS Babur (D 182)
PNS Tippu Sultan (D 185)
USS Whidbey Island (LSD 41)
HMS Campbeltown (F 86)
HMAS Arunta (FFH 151)
USS Scout (MCM 8)
USS Gladiator (MCM 11)
USS Ardent (MCM 12)
USS Dexterous (MCM 13)
HMS Ramsay (M 110)
HMS Blyth (M 111)

Friday, December 14, 2024

Roughead on How to Fight China: Submarines and ... Say What?

One of the more interesting exchanges in Thursday's testimony between the Navy and the House Armed Services Committee was in responses to questioning regarding China. Look, I want to like Admiral Roughead, but this discussion with Duncan Hunter, who we are not a fan of, doesn't inspire much confidence. From Bill Gertz: Inside the Ring.

Asked whether China's military buildup has prompted planning for more submarines, more missiles and more aircraft, Adm. Roughead said, "yes, sir."

This is an admission the primary reason the Navy is building a larger submarine force is to counter the threats of China. I'm sure everyone assumed as much, but it is refreshing to see it stated by the CNO. We appreciate straight talk in regards to China, and this qualifies... at least right up until he came up with this example.

The four-star admiral said one example is the Navy's Littoral Combat Ship that is made for fighting near coasts but also is "capable of running and providing enhanced [anti-submarine warfare] capability to our more traditional battle formations, our expeditionary strike groups and carrier strike groups."

The new ship is "a function of the need that we see for anti-submarine warfare, mine warfare and anti-surface warfare capability in areas where we see the threat evolving," he said, "to include China."

This type of stuff just drives us crazy. Raise your hand if you want to go to war with China in the Littoral Combat Ship. As Ben Stein would say, Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?

It is intellectually dishonest to tell Congress that the Navy is going to deploy the Littoral Combat Ship against China, who has one of it not the largest air forces in the world. Yes, ASW and MIW is important, but how realistic is MIW during a shooting war off the coast of the worlds largest air force? Not very.

Unfortunately all Roughead's answer proves is that the Navy is still inclined to believe every platform is able to perform every mission, sort of how we have heard that Tomahawk cruise missiles can act as UAVs and the DDG-1000 will be a terrific weapon against terrorists.

This is why Mine Warfare is the bastard child of the Navy. Unless we come to find in the future the Navy has a massive mine warfare capability able to deployed from submarines, who would be able to neutralize mines during a shooting war even close to shore areas where an air force can operate, we remain unimpressed.

Is a submarine approach to China smart? Hell Yes, smarter than other proposals by a lot. Is the Littoral Combat Ship is a realistic ASW or MIW platform in a shooting war with China? Maybe as an escort for HVUs 1000 miles from China, but we don't see the LCS zooming ahead of the strike force to neutralize minefields as has been proposed in the past. Did the Navy really buy into RANDs report of that future LCS capability? Sounds like it.

Mike's ideas look smarter and smarter everyday with this type of talk from the CNO, which pains me to say since I often disagree with his ideas.

Flashy Toys vs Flashy Ideas

The Navy, Marines, and Coast Guard returned to Capital Hill yesterday to discuss the new Maritime Strategy with the House Armed Services Committee, and if reading statements and observing reports gives a first impression, that impression isn't one to be encouraged by. To say things are messy would be an understatement, but there really isn't blame here, unless we blame everyone. What we observe is a series of shortcomings across the board, and Roughead has a lot of work to do if he wants to get out from under the mountain the Navy finds itself under.

Aviation Week has a brief article up, and the content really highlights the issues at hand. It isn't what is said specifically, it is what is focused on.

The top four-star leaders of the U.S. Coast Guard, Marine Corps and Navy heard the first widespread congressional reaction Dec. 13 to their newly unveiled maritime strategy report -- and lawmakers were skeptical across the political aisle.

Members of the House Armed Services Committee (HASC), almost to a person, repeated calls for greater and better shipbuilding, but also noted historical acquisition problems there. And they remained apparently unclear -- despite a 16-page multicolor brochure titled "A Cooperative Strategy for 21st Century Seapower" -- on how the services would better integrate.

"It's a nice, really slick brochure -- at the end of the day, it didn't do so much for our country," HASC seapower and expeditionary forces subcommittee chairman Gene Taylor (D-Miss.) told the chief of naval operations and the commandants of the Coast Guard and Marines.


The Navy walked into Congress hoping to discuss strategy, and Congress wants to talk about the flashy toys. If the Navy leadership didn't expect this, they are woefully blind to reality. The reaction of Congress seems very familiar, and it should be familiar to you as well... specifically Congress had virtually the same reaction of the blogosphere. Was nobody in the Navy observing the debates over at SJS's place? Did they not at least observe the reactions at the CDRs? Did anyone ever go back and observe feedback from concerned interested persons? If they did, they have done an extraordinarily poor job (with 1 exception) of outreach and education, discussion and debate.

Here is some advice for the Navy, Marines, and Coast Guard. Congress is focused on Flashy Toys, specifically the huge costs associated with developing systems the Navy and Marines currently have on their Christmas list, but the Navy has nothing flashy to counter this desire. The strategy doesn't represent a new idea to Congress, and expectations that Congress is going to admire strategic approaches is unrealistic. Everything in the strategy is something Congress has heard before, and they associate that with the systems plans of before. If the Navy wants to move Congress into its corner, they need flashy new ideas that demonstrate that things are changing.

Until the Navy brings new, never discussed flashy ideas that are specific in addressing the strategical guidance in the new Maritime Strategy to take the thunder out of Congressional focus on the flashy toys that get all the attention, the Navy is not going to get beyond the current status quo. The Navy is also going to find itself without the money it desires to execute the Maritime Strategy.

Wednesday, December 12, 2024

Navy Searching For New Metrics in the Force

CDR Salamander links to a defense news article on the latest series of force changes that details some of the specifics of all three proposals. As we examine the details more closely, they tell an interesting story regarding what the Navy leadership is thinking. We will observe the details one at a time.

Major combat operations. A force of 263 ships, smaller than the 313-ship fleet that Roughead has said he wants, tailored for battle against a peer competitor. This fleet would be composed of 12 aircraft carriers, 13 big-deck amphibious helicopter carriers, 26 amphibious ships, 81 cruisers and destroyers, 54 corvettes, 21 auxiliaries and 56 submarines including attack, ballistic and cruise missiles boats.

If you compare this to the 313-ship plan, it is basically the same fleet with 1 more aircraft carrier, with 54 LCS instead of 55, and with 5 amphibious ships beyond the current 10 LPD-17s and 12 LSDs programmed (we assume 4 HSVs and one new LHA/LHD). The big loss here is the 7 DDG-1000s, 10 submarines, and 9 auxiliaries. When you think about it, with so little deviation from the current 313-ship plan, it basically describes the current 313-ship plan as a plan to build a fleet for Major Combat Operations.

Shaping force. A fleet of 534 ships, mostly corvettes and patrol boats better suited to littoral, maritime security and partnership operations. This force would be composed of six aircraft carriers, 24 big-deck amphibious helicopter carriers, 48 amphibious ships, 48 cruisers and destroyers, 161 corvettes, 200 patrol craft, 30 riverine squadrons, 15 auxiliaries, and 32 submarines of all classes.

The first thing that sticks out about this plan is it represents what it would take to insert an entire Marine Division in forcible entry operations, even though it is supposed to be about MSO and Partnership. Despite the obvious flaws of only 32 submarines, which if you do the math after say 12 SSBNs is only 20 SSNs, is that with so few submarines and aircraft carriers it eliminates deterrence against China. My favorite comment about this plan so far is that "it looks like something Thomas Jefferson would advocate for to stop the British in 1810." In other words, the idea that the US Navy can emphasize partnership operations is not realistic, but as we have indicated in the past, the Navy does need a subsection of the fleet dedicated to partnership operations. This clearly would represent overkill to those ends.

Balanced force. A fleet of 474 ships able to conduct operations from high-end battle to low-end counterterrorism and maritime security. This force would be composed of nine aircraft carriers, 23 big-deck amphibious helicopter carriers, 46 amphibious ships, 57 cruisers and destroyers, 132 corvettes, 160 patrol craft, 20 riverine squadrons, 15 auxiliaries and 32 submarines of all classes.

This plan is interesting. Several have indicated that of the three, this is the one they liked the most. The first thing we like about this plan is the willingness to reduce the CVN fleet to 9. We actually like the number 10 better, but that the Navy is signaling 9 is OK is not a small thing. Another thing that stands out to us is this plan leaves 19 Cruisers and 38 Destroyers. That is a future reduction of 24 AEGIS warships. At the expense of submarines and logistics, the Navy changes the current force by adding 11 LHA/LHDs and 24 Amphibious Ships to create a "balanced force" even before producing 132 corvettes and 160 patrol craft.

While all of these plans are well and good, we wonder how serious the Navy truly is in making a force structure adjustment. If you think about it, the "Major Combat Operations" plan is simply the 313-ship plan with acceptance of a few cuts along the way, mostly to submarines and logistics. In fact, the focus of cuts to submarines and logistics, and the desire for more Amphibious Ships, specifically LHAs and LHDs raises a lot of questions regarding future existing plans, in particular the Sea Base. It leaves us curious, are these major increases in amphibious numbers in the "Shaping Force" and "Balanced Force" really nothing but MPF(F) squadrons and JHSVs?

With the emphasis on Amphibious Warfare, which can be fairly questioned considering the major competitors at this time are China, Iran, and North Korea (3 places unlikely to to be invaded by Marines), we note the desire for more amphibious ship capabilities. This tends to imply the regional deployments over the last 20 or so months by the Saipan, Ashland, Carter Hall, Whidbey Island, Peral Harbor, Fort McHenry, Peleliu, and Wasp have all been very successful. By that we note an apparent desire for more of these capabilities.

The emphasis of amphibious ships, absent any credible need for forcible entry operations, tends to imply a desire for specific metrics that are currently specific to amphibious ships, which is why we immediately jumped yesterday to discuss the concept of a mothership. One of the common themes, and the source for such a call must be forward commanders for it to make its way into each proposal, is for increased aviation capability for aviation capabilities other than fixed wing, as reflected by each plan increasing the number of LHAs and LHDs.

If this is indeed the case, it bring us back to the entire set of arguments between the big carrier vs small carrier crowds who had a major debate over CVN-21. We sided with the Navy that big deck carriers offer more to the Navy than small deck carriers, but in doing so we would side with critics who should now call upon the Navy to prove it.

The USS Enterprise (CVN-65) is returning home from its deployment, and should make it home on or around December 23rd. The Enterprise is completing the second of 2 major deployments back to back, the first being from May 2006 until November 2006, then again from July 2007 to December 2007. That is basically 14 months of deployment over a 20 month period, and between November 2006 and July 2007 the Enterprise conducted several training cruises off the east coast. The Enterprise will enter the yard next year and basically be out of action for all of 2008, and won't make another deployment until mid to late 2009.

When she returns, the Enterprise will have about 5 years of life left in her at the current rate of deployment, which clearly (and particularly when you factor in she was in the Pacific for exercises in 2006) these deployments beat on an old ship like the Enterprise.

The Navy is sending the signal that a reduction of aircraft carriers below the current 11 threshold is possible, but if doing so the desire to increase Marine Aviation capabilities is necessary. When you also account for the confusion and frustration regarding the aviation aspect of the Sea Base concept, we would encourage the Navy to evaluate how to proceed with the USS Enterprise with its upcoming yard work.

Instead of returning her to sea as the 11th CVN, we encourage the Navy to spend some money and convert her into as much of the aviation solution as possible for the Sea Base concept, specifically converting her to support as many of the 192 required CH-46 equivalents required for the ACE element of a MEB. By removing the two catapults on the angled deck, but retaining the two up front, the Navy would then be in a better position to evaluate virtually every scenario discussed regarding Sea Basing, forward deployed aviation capabilities, and establish a true set of requirements for aviation at sea in the 21st century beyond the big deck fixed wing carriers.

The Enterprise life can be extended by removing it from the forward deployment cycle and utilizing the ship as a technology demonstrator for Sea Basing, including important discussed but often discarded possibilities like support for lighter than air aviation, BUT also supporting C-130 operations at sea and the evaluation of requirements to deploy air assault elements of the 101st Airborne.

This is a proposal for evolution, as opposed to revolution in the fleet force structure changes, and evaluation of requirements and metrics required to meet emerging expectations. The Navy has already expressed desire to meet the new Maritime Strategy with an improved force structure better suited to the requirements of the 21st century, Joint requirements btw which not only includes the Coast Guard and Marines, but Army and Air Force as well. This reduction of a single aircraft carrier not only illustrates the flexibility of the large deck aircraft carrier, but reinforces the Navy's desire to all services to be a Joint Force for supporting the national interest. During a period where funding is a competitive sport in Congress, demonstrating joint force multiplying capabilities and sacrificing major platforms like an aircraft carrier for the purpose of testing and evaluation of concepts to be funded reinforces the Navies case for more funding, an aspect of this proposal not to be undersold when the time comes.

If we have learned anything from the new proposals, it would appear the Navy is in search for a new set of metrics in a future fleet. While aviation is still desired, the type of aviation is different than in the past. We are not seeing an emphasis of long range missile ships, rather a desire for well decks. We are not seeing a desire for more AEGIS, rather more smaller, faster vessels. Although with all proposals demonstrating a remarkable lack of logistics and submarines, maybe its fair to question the Navy proposals completely and disregard them all, accepting the possibility we really haven't learned anything at all regarding the thinking in the Navy.

Maybe, but we think speculating on the future fleet is more interesting.